Eden: Thank you so much for being willing to talk today. I’m excited to hear your story in person but also share with our audience about you and your book and your ministry and ultimately about Jesus and what he’s done in your life. At Bibles.net, we’re all about bringing the good news of Jesus, which is revealed to us in the Bible, to people that may not have grown up in a Christian home. So, I’m excited that you’re joining us in sharing that message today. So thank you.
Granger Smith: Of course. Yeah. Thanks for having me.
Eden: So, we always start with learning a little bit about you. What are a couple of things that bring you joy?
Granger Smith: So, I mean we got to probably have parameters here, because my family—we have to go outside of that. I think that would be obvious. My morning routine is such a source of my joy. I love my mornings. I love my Bible reading, my coffee, my chair that I sit in, my Bible memory that I do, the journaling I do for the reading. Yeah, that’s such a source of joy for me.
Eden: Awesome. And I know from your book that your morning routines used to be super intense and scheduled. What do they look like today for you?
Granger Smith: They still are. Oh, yeah. I think that’s just the way my personality is. I think that’s the way the Lord made me. I love to have a schedule. In fact, a lot of times when I’m talking to people and/or discipling people, I’ve tried to lead them towards spiritual disciplines, because Paul tells Timothy, for instance, “to train yourself for godliness”—in some translations “discipline yourself for godliness” (1 Timothy 4:7). I love to think of the mornings as the time to seek first the kingdom of God (Matthew 6:33).
And there’s a lot of church fathers that did this. There were a lot of great theologians in church history over the last 2000 years that, when you look at their lives, you could see their mornings were structured, and they were built in worship, prayer and reading/learning/knowing who God is, being sanctified by that knowledge or that worship or that time. I’ve learned that without doing it, by skipping it, I just don’t feel right.
And I will say, I don’t ever skip it. And what I mean by skipping it in the morning is like, if I have a really early flight, and let’s say I have to leave the house at 3 a.m., I’m not going to get up at 2 a.m. to do the routine, but I’ll do it at the airport when I get there. And on the way to the airport, I’m like, not right.
So, yes, I do. It’s still very structured, but I love it. And it’s such a source of joy for me.
Eden: Awesome. And is there a part of God’s Word that’s especially precious to you? And if so, why?
Granger Smith: I mean, I treasure all of it, and he’s revealed himself, his character, through all of it—through all sixty-six books. And so, I will say, if you’re going to hammer me on that, that the Psalms are very special to me and that the Psalms are something that I’ll read also outside of my morning reading daily. And I love to pray the Psalms. The Psalms are for…they’re a gift. They’re a gift to us.
They encapsulate every emotion, every human emotion. So whatever you’re going through, you could find that in the Psalms. And so, if you’re going to say, “What’s one piece of the Bible, like one collection, that you go to every single day?” it would be the Psalms.
Eden: Yeah. The Psalms are so beautiful. It really feels like any place that you open to in there, you’re going to find something that just leads your heart to worship Jesus or helps you pray. I love the Psalms for that, just like giving words to your soul when you don’t know what to say to the Lord. So thank you for sharing that.
(Read, Why I Am So Excited for You to Read the Psalms)
So I’d love to hear your story of how you came to know Jesus. That’s one of our favorite things to talk to people about is how they came to saving faith.
You were a country singer, and you said in your book (Like a River) that you had some faith—you had an acquaintance with Jesus. But you would say that before he really changed you, you wouldn’t say you had saving faith. So, can you describe for us what your faith was like before you truly had a relationship with the Lord?
Granger Smith: Yeah. So what we’re talking about is conversion, and that is when someone is made new in Christ—when someone becomes a new creation and they’re awakened by the power of God through the gospel (2 Corinthians 5:17). And you become aware of your sin and your need for forgiveness that is only provided through the blood of Jesus (Romans 5:8–9).
(What Granger talks about here, is what the Bible describes as being “born again.” To learn more about conversion, visit our page, What Does It Mean to Be Born Again?)
I grew up in a Christian home. I don’t remember a time when I didn’t say that I was a Christian or when I would have not known Jesus. There’s not a time when I could look back and say that. I remember my baptism at twelve. I remember teaching FCA class in high school, and I remember all the youth camps. And I told my mom I wanted to be a pastor when I was like, four. And she wrote that in her little journal. And through all of that, I could say today that—with somewhat confidence and using the Bible as a reference—all that time I was not a Christian, and I was outside of the faith. And the reason I could say that is because there wasn’t progressive fruit from my life, as my life went on after high school, after college (Galatians 5:22–23).
My faith became nothing more than a confession. I would have argued that at the time. I would have said, “No, what are you talking about? You know, I’m a Christian, saved by grace” (Ephesians 2:8–9). And if you take a look at my life and you would examine how I lived according to that profession, then you would say, “Buddy, I think you say you’re a fisherman, but you don’t ever go out on the lake, and you don’t ever cast anything into the water, and you don’t have any fish hanging on your wall at home. I think you just say you’re a fisherman, but you’re not.” Not because the catching the fish earns you the right to be a fisherman, but a true fisherman would be on the water.
And a true Christian would be in the Word. A true Christian would have some kind of covenant relationship with the local body. They would hate their sin and be eradicating their sin at every turn and hating their sin within them and trying to pluck it out at all costs and wanting to evangelize and wanting to tell other people about what Jesus has done in their life. And if you take away all those things, you really are left with a non-saving faith that so many Americans have because we were born in it. We were raised in it.
Eden: Totally. Yes. There’s a huge difference between the culture of Christianity and true saving faith in Jesus. In America, there are a lot of places where Christian culture is accepted, and there are things you do, like go to church or read the Bible or even reference the name of Jesus or sing songs that praise God. But none of those things is what actually makes us right with God (Romans 3:20–22). It’s only the cross of Jesus and our faith in that. Thank you for sharing about that.
And I would love to hear about how you actually came to saving faith in Jesus. So, I know that’s kind of a longer story, and it has some intense hardship involved. But could you just share with us your journey of how the Lord saved you?
Granger Smith: Yeah, it’s actually not too complicated. What shook me up—what the Lord did to crush me in a way that really shook me up—was he brought trials, and I was in the trial. That’s repeated throughout Scripture. A lot of times our faith is tested through severe trials or severe suffering (James 1:2–3). And with the testing of my faith, which my severe testing was losing my son, River, who was three. We lost him to a drowning at my house. And I was there. And that severe shaking of my faith—it yielded no fruit.
I ended up losing all my hope and all my peace, when Christians are supposed to have peace and hope, even through suffering. So that suffering that the Lord used revealed that I had a major problem, and I only got worse after we lost River. I only got worse when I should have been progressively getting better. And after slipping for about six months into deeper, darker despair, I started a journey to learn who Jesus was, because the Jesus that wasn’t doing anything for me wasn’t working for me. And as I started seeing the way he had revealed himself in the Bible, I learned that I had underestimated everything he had ever said.
I had taken it [the Gospels] as if he could say these things to his disciples or to other people in the stories of the Gospels but that it wouldn’t necessarily apply to me—that it was more metaphoric or more symbolic. When he would say things like, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me. For whoever would save his life would lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. What will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses his soul” (Matthew 16:24–26)? And I hear these things and I’m like, “Oh, that’s beautiful—that’s a beautiful metaphor.” But Jesus meant it.
And so those things began to kind of unpack for me as I started this journey of learning who he was, listening to sermon after sermon. And I was just searching everything I could. And one day, it all clicked for me. And it was a very specific day—the day of my conversion. That answers your question. It was the morning of March 1st, several years ago.
And I was listening to yet another sermon, driving in my truck, and the pastor was preaching out of the book of John—John 14—and I’m listening. And the disciple asked Jesus in John 14, “Lord, why is it that you manifest yourself to us, but not to the world? (John 14:22) And Jesus said, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him” (John 14:23). And there was something in the power of those words that, all of a sudden, I had total clarity.
I saw everything that happened behind me, and I knew what I needed to do. And it most certainly wasn’t that I needed to do anything to earn his love. It was the reality that I was loved. I knew to the core of my being—I was loved. I was adopted, redeemed, restored, forgiven by what Jesus had done. And Jesus, in this reverse psychology, was saying to everyone, “you’ll know these people that are redeemed, restored, forgiven (Ephesians 1:3-10), you’ll know them, because those are the people that keep my Word (John 8:31–32).”
And so, in this weird reverse psychology, I thought, I don’t know his Word! I don’t know it. But I suddenly craved it. I was starving for it. I wanted to know it so that I could keep it—not to earn anything—but because that’s who I was. I was someone who kept his Word, because I was loved. And from a place of being loved, therefore, I wanted to do. And Jesus says, “do this because those who love me do it.”
And so, I went home and I told my wife, “Babe, we’ve been doing it wrong. We’ve got to get rid of the devotionals and the Bible apps that give you one verse per day. That’s a great appetizer, but we need steak. We need to eat steak (Hebrews 5:12-14). We need to read the Bible forward so that we can know everything that he’s saying, everything that he’s commanded us to do. We could do this, not out of obligation, but because it’s a joy to do what he tells us to do, because he made us (John 15:10–11).
So, I read through Matthew and then through the Gospels, and then get into Acts and then Romans, and then go all the way to Revelation. And then at the end of Revelation, I’m like, “Well, Jesus said that Moses and the prophets were talking about him. So now I need to go back to Genesis, and I need to make sure I have all that covered—all the way to Malachi. And then once I had that covered, I was like, “Well, now that I’ve read it all, I feel like now I’m more aware of all the things I don’t know. So now I need to read it again.” And that has been a cycle for years that I’ve been in.
And that goes back to your question about the joyful morning, because now that you can connect my conversion with your question about what brings you joy and the morning routine, that’s part of my day—when I’m seeing who he has revealed himself to be and what he expects me to be in return—someone who’s loved by him.
Eden: Yeah, awesome. And I love how you explained your testimony in sharing the power of God’s Word. You were hearing someone teach the Bible, and God just did this amazing work of regeneration in your heart and made you a new person, like in that moment.
The verse that we put on everything that we distribute says, “For the Word of God is alive and powerful” (Hebrews 4:12), and it’s alive and powerful because the one that wrote it is still living and working in the lives of his people. And so, I love just hearing about the miracle that he’s done in your heart and how he’s transformed you.
And I think that’s such a good testimony to what the Bible is, that when you get up in the morning, you’re not just reading a book: You’re engaging with Jesus through what he has to say and striving to follow him in return for the love that he’s shown you. So, I just love that.
Okay, so you mentioned the grief that you suffered and how that trial is what God used to make you aware of your need for him. Are there any things—that you have learned about grief as a follower of Jesus from spending time in his Word—that you would share with a newer believer that is maybe going through something themselves?
Granger Smith: Yeah, well, first and foremost, we grieve as those with hope (1 Thessalonians 4:13). So, we’re going to grieve. So one implication of that idea is that Paul says that we will grieve. So we’ll start there. Grieving is normal. Grieving is a process. It’s actually a necessary process. And it’s normal for Christians, as well as everybody else. But what separates us from everybody else is we grieve with hope.
In one of many ways, the hope is that this, as Paul says, “light, momentary affliction is preparing us for an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison” (2 Corinthians 4:17). So, what Paul’s saying is that this pain, this grief, this anxiety, this—whatever problem we’re having as a result of the fallen world that we live in—is actually producing in us something that’s necessary for us to grow, and the biblical term for this is called sanctification (Romans 8:28–30). God’s will for our lives is to be sanctified (1 Thessalonians 4:3), which means to be conformed or molded into the perfect image of Christ, which never comes to completion until we die (Philippians 1:6). And that’s when we’re glorified.
So we talked earlier about me being converted. And then you’re sanctified, and then you’re glorified. And when you’re glorified, you are like him, the Bible says, meaning we are free of sin: We’re free from pain. There’s no more tears. There’s no more hurting. And that lasts for eternity (Revelation 21:3–4). And once you grasp that, once you wrap your head around it—and that takes a lifetime of meditation on what that means—then the grieving of losing a loved one in this temporary, finite world that we live in now, the sting of it is gone (1 Corinthians 15:55–57).
So you hurt because you miss the person that you loved. And the amount of love you have for them is the amount of grief you’ll have. So you miss them through that grief, but you miss them in a way that doesn’t sting—it’s not forever. This is not forever. This is a temporary pain. And yes, it is a pain, and it hurts, but it’s temporary. And that’s the hope we have as Christians.
Eden: Yeah, I love that. And something that’s been a comfort to me recently is the promise in 2 Corinthians that God the Father, who becomes our father through our faith in Jesus Christ, is called “the Father of mercies and the God of all comfort” (2 Corinthians 1:3–4). And so, not only do we have this big picture hope—that we’re headed towards no more suffering—but we also have a dear and close Father that comforts us in the midst of our suffering. And I know that, as Christians, the griefs that we’ve suffered—they don’t go away. They don’t vanish. And yet, we have the comfort of a Father.
And so, are there any ways that God has really comforted you since the death of your son and ministered to you, just giving hope to those that might be suffering and thinking, “Well, but what about right now?” Are there ways that God has really done that for you?
Granger Smith: Yeah. And you’re so right, because God is sovereign—meaning almighty, all knowing, all powerful, all creating—and yet he’s also an intimate, loving, personal Father.
And one way that’s often neglected, that the Bible talks about over and over and over and over in the New Testament, of how God the Father intimately, personally comforts his children, is through the local church, which is the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:27). So, we are the bride. We are the bride of Christ. And so, as the analogy of a groom loves his bride and protects her and serves her, and even when she is unfaithful to him, he searches her out, seeks her, brings her back in, adorns her, dresses her, gives her jewelry, gives her food, gives her a house. The Father does that through Christ to his bride, and the bride is the church (Ephesians 5:25–32).
So what does that mean? That all sounds big and metaphorical, but what does that mean? It means that when we join a church in some kind of relationship (sometimes it’s called membership), when you’re in a relationship with the church, and each of the members of the body of the church, of the body of the bride, when every member, brings their own personal gift: Someone has the gift of encouragement; someone has the gift of teaching; someone has the gift of compassion; someone has the gift of serving. So, when all these little gifts come together, it makes this beautiful place of a gathering of people that comfort and serve and have compassion and grieve with and celebrate in joy with as a family. And so, when a Christian is not involved in that practically, here today, right now, and they’re trying to go through something alone, I would say, “You’re doing something that’s outside of everything that the Bible tells us we need to be doing.”
Eden: Yeah, yeah. And you’re missing out on the comfort that God provides. In that book of 2 Corinthians, where God talks about comforting his people, later on in the book, Paul says that God comforted him by the coming of Titus (2 Corinthians 7:6). And so, he’s saying that God’s comfort is mediated through God’s people. Like you said, if we cut ourselves off from the physical representation of Jesus on earth—which is his people—then we really cut ourselves off from the comfort of God that’s available to us too. So I love that point and that encouragement to be part of a local church and involved there.
Granger Smith: Excellent. That’s excellent. Thank you for saying that. God loves us through his people. If you don’t go to his people, if you’re outside of his people, you’re missing out on such a blessing of grace from God.
Eden: Yeah, totally! So I found out about you, because I was listening to your music on Spotify, and I found your song called “I Kill Spiders,” and I thought it was very adorable and cute, and—fun fact—I sent it to my roommate. She’s my best friend from seventh grade, and she’s actually used that song at times when I was struggling with understanding God’s love for me in the Father’s love for me. She was like, “Listen to that song called ‘I Kill Spiders’ because, you know, it’s talking about a loving dad caring for his daughter.” So, whether or not you were even belonging to Jesus at that point, that song was a ministry to me and just a really fun listen. So I discovered you through your music, just randomly Spotify feeding me some extra country stuff. I’m sure that if people have heard your name, that might be where they’ve originally gotten acquainted with you from.
Because it seems like that’s not what you’re pursuing anymore, I would love to hear how your relationship with Jesus and your faith in him changed your perspective and your identity as a country singer, if you could just share about that.
Granger Smith: Yeah, that’s the more complicated question, more complicated than the conversion or grieving or anything like that. The more complicated question is, “What in the world did God do with Granger’s country music career? Why is he not in it? Why is he not in that anymore? If you’re a Christian, that seems like the way to get up on a big stage in front of a whole lot of people and tell them about Jesus. And that seems like a great platform to use.” And the Lord didn’t see it that way with me.
I was convicted over and over that I wasn’t humbling myself by promoting my music. Singing and playing is a gift from God, but I was using it in a way of self-promoting that was impossible for me to separate the pride of me being on stage from the humility we see in the Gospels. That’s not denying yourself, taking up your cross—referencing our earlier verse (Matthew 6:24).
That was really weighing on me. When you’re in Christ, you could start to trust your own convictions. And I started getting really convicted that this was not the right thing, and that the Holy Spirit was pulling me away from the big stage.
And he was also raising in proportion a new passion to preach and to study. I enrolled in seminary a couple of years ago to pursue an M.Div. degree in pastoral ministry. And the more and more I went down that road, the more and more I fell in love with pastoral ministry and preaching and studying and pastoring, and I just stopped thinking about music. So, it wasn’t that I stopped loving music. The Lord just raised my desires in a new way for him.
Eden: Awesome. And would you say, if we’re talking to people that maybe are new to the faith or they’re interested in Christianity, but they have not yet put their faith in Jesus—would you say that the death to country music in your life was really difficult and something that you wrestled with Jesus over? Or was it something that you found, “Man, he just changed my desires and I knew that this was the right thing to do”?
Granger Smith: Typically, what we see in these situations—I can’t speak totally generally because there are definitely times in that sanctification process that hurt and you’re like, “I don’t want to give this up”—but in this in this case, I had no problem. I look at it like this.
Sometimes repentance would be like a man that’s working in a coal mine. And he’s working all day in this coal mine. And one day, he’s got this wheelbarrow, and he’s pushing the coal, and there’s a crack in the top of the cave that breaks through—this beam of sunlight comes into the cave and shines into the to the spot where he’s standing, revealing that on the floor is covered in diamonds—millions of diamonds. Now that man in that moment does not think, “Ah, this means I got to take this coal all the way up to the top,” or dump, sit there, and “Oh, after I worked all day; are you kidding me? I stacked this coal all day. Now I’ve got to take it out of the wheelbarrow and put the diamonds in?”
No, the man in his joy, dumps the coal without thinking of the effort that it took to put it in there. He fills it with diamonds, and he runs to the top, rejoicing that he never has to go back into the coal mine ever again.
So the moment that the Holy Spirit sent that beam of light into the cave to reveal the truth to him, before that, the coal wasn’t that bad. He probably enjoyed it. And it was a normal living for him. And so giving it up might seem crazy until he was revealed what was so much better. That’s kind of what happened to me in country music.
Eden: Awesome, awesome. And I love, as you explained [in] both your conversion and that work of God in your life, how prominent the Holy Spirit‘s role is in your story. God promises us in the Bible that the promise to come, which the Bible was looking forward to with the coming of Jesus, wasn’t just that God would pay the sacrifice for our sins, but it was also that he would give us this special gift of the Holy Spirit to live inside of us. And he says that when that promise would come, he would give us a new heart and put a new spirit in us (Ezekiel 36:26). And so, I love how in the way you explain your story, you highlight that truth from the Bible that what God does in any of us that come to faith in Jesus is really [that] he makes us an entirely new person, and he puts himself and his own Spirit inside us. And it reorients our desires, our longings, our mission in life, really everything. The way you tell your story so beautifully communicates the power of God’s Spirit and his ability to rework a life and bring joy where it wasn’t before.
You explained a little bit about your new passion to serve as a pastor. Can you tell us how would you describe your mission in life now—what you’re up to, and what life looks like in this phase of your life?
Granger Smith: Yeah. Well, my personal conviction on this is that I don’t get to wake up one day and decide, “I’m a pastor. I should start a church.” I believe that the Bible doesn’t speak in terms of that kind of language. [Instead] it would be that I need to be affirmed by brothers and sisters around me. So through that conviction, my path to being a pastor, if the Lord wills that, would be to serve in my local church, continue seminary (I still have a few more years left in that), continue to learn under our elders and our church now, and then, if the time is right, those men would come forward and say, “We can attest from watching you and being with you and listening to you, that we would affirm you as being ready to be a pastor, and we could bring you to the congregation.” So, I think the Bible would speak in terms of, “This is the path,” instead of “boom! I’m out of music; I love Jesus; I’m a pastor now.”
So I’m in that journey now. I’m in that journey of equipping right now.
Eden: I also love how you explained that, because I think there are a lot of pastors these days that we’ve maybe even heard about recently that really sad things happen in their ministry. And I think when a pastor of a church has a moral failure, it can really shake the faith of the people underneath them and cause people to question the whole structure of the church and whether I should even go to church. What you said is so important. If we go back to God’s Word, the Bible, which tells us how to live all of life, including church life, a pastor, as you were saying earlier about people who have been given gifts by God, is just a follower of Jesus that God happened to give the gift to preach the Word and herald his Word. And that gift, just like any other gift in the church, is recognized by the body of believers. So, you’re right that a genuine biblical pastor is not someone that is a self-proclaimed preacher of God’s Word. It’s someone that God has gifted by his Holy Spirit and affirmed by those around them that that person has not only been gifted by the Holy Spirit to teach, but also qualified in terms of the different character traits that the Bible lays out. And so, I commend your obedience to the Lord in that way and following his own system for how to discern whether that’s what he’s calling you to. And I think that’s really helpful to share that perspective with people that might not understand how church authority works within a biblical framework. So that’s so helpful.
Granger Smith: You’re good. You should have a podcast or something.
Eden: Oh, thanks. That’s awesome.
Granger Smith: First Timothy 3 and Titus 1 are the qualifications for elder or overseer or pastor, all the same word. And I will interject that seminary is not one of the qualifications. That’s just my personal conviction that I feel like I need to play catch-up a little bit. And seminary is helping me with that catch-up.
Eden: Yeah, and seminary is a great way, like you said, to come to understand the words of Jesus that you will need to obey. It’s just another avenue of learning.
So, you also own a place called Yee Yee Apparel, which you’re wearing a hat from. If people want to find your content or your clothing brand, how would they follow what you’re doing?
Granger Smith: Yeah, almost everything I do is @GrangerSmith on social media, the website is grangersmith.com. My brothers and I, here in Texas, we’ve had this apparel company Yee Yee for many years and that’s still going, even though I gave up music, that’s still going. And that’s at yeeyee.com.
And we have a new faith line. This is brand new. So like, we’re not just an outdoor apparel [brand].
Eden: This just got so much better. I looked up the apparel company online, and I was like, “This is so fun.” I have four brothers. So, I was like, “Here’s Christmas for the next five years, you know?”
Granger Smith: Yeah, that’s great!
Eden: Exciting that you also have a faith line. So, last question would be—we ask this of every interviewer, and we’re trying to help people that are not familiar with Scripture build a bookshelf of things that might help reinforce the truths of the Bible—so, is there a book or a resource outside of Scripture that has really been transformational and helpful in your walk with Jesus?
Granger Smith: Yes, there are so many. That’s a little bit difficult, because sometimes it depends on the level of the person—where they are in their faith. If the person’s a little more intellectual or a person’s like, “Hey, just give me meat and potatoes;” here, I’ll show you. I love The Holiness of God by R.C. Sproul. This is a very meaningful book for me.
A lot of the early church fathers would say that every problem that we have in our lives comes from the same root, and the root is not knowing who God is as he’s revealed himself and our relationship to him as finite, sinful humans. So, understanding who he is—and one of [his] big collective attributes is holiness—and he is set apart. We are made in his image (Genesis 1:27). We are made in the likeness of him, but that doesn’t mean we are like him.
We are like a shadow is to him. You wouldn’t look at a shadow and go, “Look, that’s Granger’s shadow. That’s just like him.” No, it’s in my likeness, but that shadow is not me. It’s not flesh and bone like I am. It doesn’t have a brain like I do. So, a small example of understanding [the] separateness of God from us is a beginning of a journey.
When you learn who he is and how separate he is from us—in terms of his perfection and his goodness and his love and his power and his might—when you understand that and then understand that he came to us when we couldn’t get to him through the person of Jesus, to bring us to God: That power of the Gospel has a massive effect on us and on whatever problem we’re having at the time. So The Holiness of God, R.C. Sproul—that’s a long way to answer that question.
Eden: Okay—awesome, awesome, I love it. And we’re going to be recommending—this is your book Like a River. We’re going to be recommending that on our site. I read it in one sitting the day after Christmas, and it was an incredible blessing to me and I know will really bless others. And I think it just drew me to worship Jesus. I was like, “Oh my gosh! Look what Jesus did in this man’s life and how he saved him and transformed him.”
But then also, it really helped me just think through suffering as a Christian and to remember that these truths that we have from the Bible really are like anchors. Christ is our anchor through the storms that we go through (Hebrews 6:19). And as I saw you metaphorically grasp that anchor by faith and hold onto it, it was just like, “Wow, wow. That gives me hope that the things that the Bible says are true, and they’re enough to get us through even the most difficult things.” So, I’m so excited for other people to read that.
But thank you for your time today. Thank you for just being willing to share with us. And, we’ll definitely point people to all the different avenues that they can find your content. And I look forward to letting others listen to the conversation. So thank you.
Granger Smith: That’s wonderful. Thanks for the encouragement. I appreciate you so much.
Eden: Thank you so much for listening to our podcast today. If you enjoyed our conversation, I would encourage you to like or subscribe to our podcast so that you can hear the next conversation. And if something that you heard today spoke to your heart or got you thinking, I would encourage you to not let the day go by without talking to God about what’s on your mind. We believe that he loves you and that he’s pursuing you today out of that love.